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area of a circle Oct 1, 2010 #1 zero13428 1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data The radius of a circle
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is measured to be 14.3+-0.3cm. Find the circle's area and the uncertainty in the area. I don't understand how to correctly apply uncertainty equations with sigma and partial derivatives to these types of problems. 2. Relevant equations A=(pi)(r^2) (pi)(r^2)=642.4cm
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zero13428, Oct 1, 2010 Phys.org - latest science and technology news stories on Phys.org •Game over? Computer beats human champ in ancient Chinese game •Simplifying solar cells with a new mix of materials •Imaged 'jets' reveal cerium's post-shock inner strength Oct 1, 2010 #2 rock.freak667 Homework Helper Well then, we have A=πr2. If we take ln of both sides we will get lnA=ln(πr2)=lnπ+2lnr Now just take differentials dA/A = 2*dr/r dA is nothing but the error in error propagation khan academy A. Same with dr. Just substitute the numbers. I really could not explain it properly without showing you the differentials. rock.freak667, Oct 1, 2010 Oct 1, 2010 #3 zero13428 You said to take the ln of both sides. As in the natural log? I didn't know these had anything to logs or am I reading something wrong. zero13428, Oct 1, 2010 Oct 1, 2010 #4 rock.freak667 Homework Helper zero13428 said: ↑ You said to take the ln of both sides. As in the natural log? I didn't know these had anything to logs or am I reading something wrong. Well normally, to get the error, you would just add the relative errors. I showed you how to do it. So if you had A=r3 then dA/A = 3*dr/r It comes out the same if you just differentiate it normally. rock.freak667, Oct 1, 2010 Oct 2, 2010 #5 zero13428 I know at the beginning I asked how to use sigma and partial derivatives to solve this type of problem but I don't really know much about them yet. We haven't gotten to them in my math class. This problem is coming from an intro to physics lab course that focuses on propagation of error and uncertainty in measurements made and then using Excel functions like STDEV and (chi^2) to figure out stuff related to uncertainties. Is there a sta
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Forum University Math Help Forum Advanced Applied Math [SOLVED] error propagation: the approximation formula Results 1 to 2 of 2 Thread: [SOLVED] error propagation: the approximation formula LinkBack LinkBack URL About LinkBacks Thread Tools Show Printable Version Subscribe to this Thread… http://mathhelpforum.com/advanced-applied-math/45196-solved-error-propagation-approximation-formula.html Display Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode Aug 3rd 2008,08:51 AM #1 sinewave85 Member Joined Oct 2006 From Lost in a series of tubes. Posts 218 [SOLVED] error propagation: the approximation formula I can't seem to get the right answer to this one, and I hope someone can tell me what I am doing wrong! "You measure the radius of a circle to be 12 cm error propagation and use the formula A = pi(r^2) to calculate the area. If your measurement of the radius is accurate to within 3%, approximately how accurate (to the nearest percent) is your calculation of the area? The problem is that the answer given in the back of the book is 0.06. So, where did I mess up? Thanks for the help! Follow Math Help Forum on Facebook and Google+ error propagation area Aug 3rd 2008,09:12 AM #2 flyingsquirrel Super Member Joined Apr 2008 Posts 802 Hi Originally Posted by sinewave85 I can't seem to get the right answer to this one, and I hope someone can tell me what I am doing wrong! "You measure the radius of a circle to be 12 cm and use the formula A = pi(r^2) to calculate the area. If your measurement of the radius is accurate to within 3%, approximately how accurate (to the nearest percent) is your calculation of the area? Taking it from here, the relative error of is so . Be careful to make a difference between absolute error ( ) and relative error. Follow Math Help Forum on Facebook and Google+ « advanced math in organic chemistry? | 3D Force System » Similar Math Help Forum Discussions Proof of error in multi-variable linear approximation formula. Posted in the Calculus Forum Replies: 1 Last Post: Oct 17th 2011, 12:21 PM Approximation and error formula Posted in the Calculus Forum Replies: 2 Last Post: Mar 28th 2011, 03:58 AM Error propagation Posted in the Calculus Forum Replies: 3 Last Post: Dec 15th 2010, 07:37 AM [SOLVED] Error approximation - definite integrals Posted in the Calculus Forum Replies: 0 La